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NLS


Joined: 25/09/2009 05:57:23
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Now it was my turn to get angry. My post/comment/whatever you name it Brahim, was not worthless.

And I didn't ask you to do anything (at least about your hated implicit merge).

It seems to me there are two, three, maybe four people with faith in this project right now (not including you). I am one of them (strangely enough after all this).
But if you insist on treating mine (and potentially other people's) CONSTRUCTIVE comments like that (actually US stupid morons spending time to help YOU make this thing better - you DO realize our time is also expensive, or don't you), I am sure you'll make a great FlexRAID just for yourself.
OK I realize this might not touch you a bit. You decide about that.

Let's not get started on who's time costs how much. If I wanted to hire a programmer to do something for me (setting aside that I already have a team), I would at least ask someone who doesn't insult me and devaluate my good will on trying to actually help him and the time I spend for this.

My post is up there for everybody to see. It's easy, you people go and visit the live beta testing thread and see how worthless my posts are. If anybody else believes that post was worthless, let me know. Not in PM (like other times), in public in this thread. I can take it.

Unbelievable.
Internet is big but unfortunately seems, not big enough.

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NLS
(sorry cannot put my specs on the sig - testing under a few different VMs - will put specific specs when my home-SBS7 is ready)
palmano


Joined: 23/12/2010 07:17:03
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For what it’s worth, I've found most of your posts to Brahim at best condescending and at worst plain insulting. It is only etiquette that has stopped me posting this in the past, but if you insist on making this a public discussion, here we go. Don't keep on repeating the same tired requests, even if it is done as an aside in brackets. It is up to Brahim how he develops his software, and in return for the time you are investing in his project, you get to use it. Unless you are actively paying for the development of this FREE software solution, make your suggestion and then leave it to the developer. Although the $2000 is obviously a figure to make a point, if you want him to add a feature, offer him how much it is worth to you.

The fact you are so vocal does not mean others do not have interest in the project, as the info

"Most users ever online was 373 on 16/01/2011 18:42:01"

On the bottom of the forum shows.

You are just another user, however much you shout about not getting your own way.


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NLS


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Thank you for your reply.

First of all, of course I am just another user. Never said something else. Don't say things I didn't say.

People reading how this project evolves, doesn't tag them as having faith in the project, nor does it mean that they have time or care to make this go forward. The people that do, are as I said very few.

My posts are not "insulting" in any way, although I have received insulting reactions (that I did look the other way). Some of my posts I am sure COULD be read like that because of the language barrier. Could - possibly. Yet, I don't think because I am extra careful.

If you cared to notice, I made this post in reaction to Brahim's insulting reaction on... erm... another post of mine THAT DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING to do with any "repeated request" of mine. In fact after some recent PMs between me and Brahim, I didn't even plan on repeating my implicit merge request and I HAVE followed that actually. So let's not just generalize to mark me as bad eh? Not nice.

In any case thank you for your post. Keep them coming. It's the off topic section after all.

EDIT: BTW, the current forum system is known to keep users online even after they have left. Just so you have a better idea of the statistics you present. Just mentioning.

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NLS
(sorry cannot put my specs on the sig - testing under a few different VMs - will put specific specs when my home-SBS7 is ready)
palmano


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NLS wrote:My posts are not "insulting" in any way


That is a matter of opinion, so I shouldn't have mentioned it. I didn't intend to put words in your mouth and I came across as overly aggressive. For that I apologise.

NLS wrote:...another post of mine THAT DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING to do with any "repeated request" of mine.


As far as the point that this has nothing to do with the old request, I beg to differ;

NLS wrote:There are two schools: Give them all the options (for example even give me my damn implicit merge if I want it) and let them make the most appropriate config for their need, OR choose the best options I can implement (and think they are best anyway) and try to make this work as good as possibly for all cases (even for cases where another set of options could be better).
A first look would say that the first "school" is more difficult. Not so. Following the second school and making it smart enough is potentially more complex.


This to me sounds like another way of reiterating your request and I suspect Brahim responded how he did due to him feeling the same (although I don't want to speak for him).

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NLS


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I didn't have a different example readily available. Served as an example. If someone ele wrote that post, would probably give an different example, about something he knows about.

Anyway. Your point probably came through (contrary what mine does every time), so if someone else has something to say...

(I won't even respond as I already told Brahim, I won't be posting here any more - be good everyone )

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(sorry cannot put my specs on the sig - testing under a few different VMs - will put specific specs when my home-SBS7 is ready)
Brahim


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@NLS

Clearly, you don't seem to get it.
When you ask something and the other party says no, back off.

"No" means "no" and does not call for mis-characterization.
You keep on labeling me as closed minded and not wanting to integrate other people ideas, when you have zero idea of what it takes to bring it all together at the end of the day.
What seems simple in theory is often quite different in practice.
Do you know how many times I had to redesign the whole system simply because what seemed like the logical approach to take turned out to be a brick wall?
You clearly fail to give me credit for evaluating your request and wrongly attributing my deny of the request to some other ulterior motive or than my set priorities.

Auto-merging the way MHDDFS does it will keep all your drives spinning, something I don't want in the product as I am trying to market it as green.
You don't have to agree with my direction, but I demand that you respect it.
For my limited time, rather than creating another mode that works like MHDDFS (for those users that might be okay with it), I prefer to focus on creating a boxed-in version of FlexRAID's storage pool feature where topics like this will be moot.

FlexRAID is the last thing from monolithic as it supports the very thing you are requesting (auto-merging)... only that it requires a one-time workaround for those that cannot re-organize their data.
Having to use a workaround is quite different than "it cannot be done and is monolithic".
It sucks that WHS screwed up your data, but this is not the problem of this project.

I have stated to you in PMs, if the solution that is being presented to you is compelling enough, use it... if not, move on.
This project is not here to obsolete other solutions. It is just one more option.
So, please stop the cries just because it is not serving you tea in the morning.

Please take a cue on how others in this forums are presenting their ideas and making feature requests.

FYI, I read that post exactly as palmano quoted it.
I have addressed this topic countless of times in posts and PMs and gave you more attention than anyone else would.
If any of the things I have tried to explain did not make sense, just remember that I said "NO".
So, please no more as you are being more of a distraction at this point.

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cg2010


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NLS - you've got some great ideas - I think the problem is you come across as demanding sometimes. I'm sure as you said there are times it is a language barrier thing. But when someone doesn't work for you and you come across as demanding - it's only going to close them off to your ideas. I've found that demanding something or telling someone their ideas were wrong or not good doesn't get you far.

Keep up your great ideas! Let Brahim decide if he wants the project to go the way you suggest. If you don't think he understands a point of yours, its certainly a positive thing for you to re-phrase the request or use different examples. I've had development discussions where I absolutely disagreed with another developer, yet after they constructively walked me through the way they see it has caused me to change my mind. Other times - I still didn't like that developer's approach. Those are GREAT discussions to have though because it forces BOTH people to think things through. When you do that, you find bugs and new approaches.

I've had some suggestions to Brahim in posts and PMs. Some of which he's agreed with (and implemented) - some he hasn't. Brahim seems to be very reasonable in listening to everyone. I'll keep suggesting ideas if I think it would improve FlexRAID - even if I think it disagrees with Brahim's approach. But at the end of the day, if he says no, then I'll live with it and still enjoy how great the FlexRAID software is.

Don't leave the forum - keep the good ideas flowing!

Just my 2 cents.

NLS


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I know I said I wouldn't be posting any more but I have to say this simple statement:

FYI my post was not meant as palmano quoted it and you read it. I am saying this directly, so it is not a matter of how you interpret it. How you guys took it, is not how I meant it. I am saying this directly and let this be my last word.


Keep up the good work. I don't plan to intervene... even with simple phrases like the above.

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NLS
(sorry cannot put my specs on the sig - testing under a few different VMs - will put specific specs when my home-SBS7 is ready)
cg2010


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NLS wrote:I know I said I wouldn't be posting any more

That's too bad. Like my post just above your said, you have good ideas - just post them in a positive way.

Telling everyone you're not going to post anymore just makes it sound like you can't take constructive criticism. I can tell you're a smart guy. Post your ideas - help make FlexRAID a better product. Brahim in the past has said you have great ideas. As long as the idea's are suggestions - it won't ever come across the wrong way. If you explain your idea well with good examples, then Brahim will take it into consideration. Some ideas may make their way into the product - some won't. But you'll have other ideas in the future

Anyway - hope you don't leave.
Brahim


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NLS wrote:I know I said I wouldn't be posting any more but I have to say this simple statement:

FYI my post was not meant as palmano quoted it and you read it. I am saying this directly, so it is not a matter of how you interpret it. How you guys took it, is not how I meant it. I am saying this directly and let this be my last word.


Keep up the good work. I don't plan to intervene... even with simple phrases like the above.


Okay, I am not one to hold anyone to what they did not mean.
Remember, sometimes, it is the drop that spill over the vase.
If I took it the wrong way (regardless of the background), then I am willing to let bygones be bygones.

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NLS


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I think it's better for both sides to stay apart at least for some time.

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Maybe by the time I get back, if I get back, you'll have implemented implicit merge.

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(ok that was a joke if someone can understand a joke)
(not the stay apart part, that was no joke)

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NLS
(sorry cannot put my specs on the sig - testing under a few different VMs - will put specific specs when my home-SBS7 is ready)
 
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